Comments on: Mormon Ecumenism On Both Sides of California Same-sex Marriage Debate http://www.asoftanswer.com/2008/02/19/mormon-ecumenism-on-both-sides-of-california-same-sex-marriage-debate/ Latter-day Saints in the public square Tue, 07 Oct 2008 06:18:47 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6 By: As goes California . . . | A Soft Answer http://www.asoftanswer.com/2008/02/19/mormon-ecumenism-on-both-sides-of-california-same-sex-marriage-debate/#comment-4270 As goes California . . . | A Soft Answer Thu, 15 May 2008 17:09:40 +0000 http://www.asoftanswer.com/2008/02/19/mormon-ecumenism-on-both-sides-of-california-same-sex-marriage-debate/#comment-4270 [...] state interest in preserving marriage as only between a man and a woman. Opinion here [PDF]. The LDS Church took part in arguments to prevent this kind of [...] [...] state interest in preserving marriage as only between a man and a woman. Opinion here [PDF]. The LDS Church took part in arguments to prevent this kind of [...]

]]> By: David H. Sundwall http://www.asoftanswer.com/2008/02/19/mormon-ecumenism-on-both-sides-of-california-same-sex-marriage-debate/#comment-3506 David H. Sundwall Tue, 19 Feb 2008 16:51:46 +0000 http://www.asoftanswer.com/2008/02/19/mormon-ecumenism-on-both-sides-of-california-same-sex-marriage-debate/#comment-3506 Like Chris said, Starr does a lot of work as a con law attorney (I think he is/was at Pepperdine), but he's obviously best known for the infamous Starr report (whatever your opinion of it is) and being thoroughly trashed by the Clinton administration. I know you now see the link Nick, but just for anyone else, the end was edited so that the brief's link is now the first in the second to last paragraph. Like Chris said, Starr does a lot of work as a con law attorney (I think he is/was at Pepperdine), but he’s obviously best known for the infamous Starr report (whatever your opinion of it is) and being thoroughly trashed by the Clinton administration.

I know you now see the link Nick, but just for anyone else, the end was edited so that the brief’s link is now the first in the second to last paragraph.

]]> By: Nick Literski http://www.asoftanswer.com/2008/02/19/mormon-ecumenism-on-both-sides-of-california-same-sex-marriage-debate/#comment-3505 Nick Literski Tue, 19 Feb 2008 16:50:46 +0000 http://www.asoftanswer.com/2008/02/19/mormon-ecumenism-on-both-sides-of-california-same-sex-marriage-debate/#comment-3505 You're absolutely right, Chris. Still, I'm a bit surprised to see the LDS church associate itself with Starr on this. Note that the brief is co-authored by Starr and an attorney from Kirton & McConkie, the firm that generally represents the LDS church in litigation. I can't help but wonder how many thousands of dollars in tithing went to legal fees for this, all because LDS leaders wish to foist their own religious code of conduct onto members of a pluralistic society who are not in any way answerable to the LDS church. You’re absolutely right, Chris. Still, I’m a bit surprised to see the LDS church associate itself with Starr on this. Note that the brief is co-authored by Starr and an attorney from Kirton & McConkie, the firm that generally represents the LDS church in litigation.

I can’t help but wonder how many thousands of dollars in tithing went to legal fees for this, all because LDS leaders wish to foist their own religious code of conduct onto members of a pluralistic society who are not in any way answerable to the LDS church.

]]> By: Nick Literski http://www.asoftanswer.com/2008/02/19/mormon-ecumenism-on-both-sides-of-california-same-sex-marriage-debate/#comment-3504 Nick Literski Tue, 19 Feb 2008 16:45:54 +0000 http://www.asoftanswer.com/2008/02/19/mormon-ecumenism-on-both-sides-of-california-same-sex-marriage-debate/#comment-3504 Thanks, David. I saw afterward that the pro-marriage-equality religious groups were in the same brief as Affirmation, et al. Again, thanks for posting this! As for Kenneth Star, the man was a pornography peddler, and his report was the biggest piece of porn ever sold by Deseret Book (yes, they did sell it). Thanks, David. I saw afterward that the pro-marriage-equality religious groups were in the same brief as Affirmation, et al. Again, thanks for posting this!

As for Kenneth Star, the man was a pornography peddler, and his report was the biggest piece of porn ever sold by Deseret Book (yes, they did sell it).

]]> By: Chris H. http://www.asoftanswer.com/2008/02/19/mormon-ecumenism-on-both-sides-of-california-same-sex-marriage-debate/#comment-3503 Chris H. Tue, 19 Feb 2008 16:42:09 +0000 http://www.asoftanswer.com/2008/02/19/mormon-ecumenism-on-both-sides-of-california-same-sex-marriage-debate/#comment-3503 Starr is a pretty famous and respected appellate attorney. This is the case whether we agree about impeachment or not. Starr is a pretty famous and respected appellate attorney. This is the case whether we agree about impeachment or not.

]]> By: David H. Sundwall http://www.asoftanswer.com/2008/02/19/mormon-ecumenism-on-both-sides-of-california-same-sex-marriage-debate/#comment-3502 David H. Sundwall Tue, 19 Feb 2008 16:40:21 +0000 http://www.asoftanswer.com/2008/02/19/mormon-ecumenism-on-both-sides-of-california-same-sex-marriage-debate/#comment-3502 Nick, I don't call them "dissident groups," the SF Chronicle did. I used the quotes to make that clear I thought. The last link is to the brief you are asking about. Sorry that wasn't clear. I'll edit that. The CA Supreme Court has a special page for the case, <em><a href="http://www.courtinfo.ca.gov/courts/supreme/highprofile/" rel="nofollow">In re Marriage Cases</a></em>, with all the briefs and filings. I imagine the article emphasized Starr's participation to make that point to those who didn't like the impeachment. Nick,

I don’t call them “dissident groups,” the SF Chronicle did.

I used the quotes to make that clear I thought.

The last link is to the brief you are asking about. Sorry that wasn’t clear. I’ll edit that.

The CA Supreme Court has a special page for the case, In re Marriage Cases, with all the briefs and filings.

I imagine the article emphasized Starr’s participation to make that point to those who didn’t like the impeachment.

]]> By: Chris H. http://www.asoftanswer.com/2008/02/19/mormon-ecumenism-on-both-sides-of-california-same-sex-marriage-debate/#comment-3501 Chris H. Tue, 19 Feb 2008 16:35:24 +0000 http://www.asoftanswer.com/2008/02/19/mormon-ecumenism-on-both-sides-of-california-same-sex-marriage-debate/#comment-3501 As a political philosopher with Con Law interestests this issues is very interesting to me. As a member of the Church, I avoid any debate about it because I am not sure where to stand on it. As a political philosopher with Con Law interestests this issues is very interesting to me. As a member of the Church, I avoid any debate about it because I am not sure where to stand on it.

]]> By: Nick Literski http://www.asoftanswer.com/2008/02/19/mormon-ecumenism-on-both-sides-of-california-same-sex-marriage-debate/#comment-3500 Nick Literski Tue, 19 Feb 2008 16:33:25 +0000 http://www.asoftanswer.com/2008/02/19/mormon-ecumenism-on-both-sides-of-california-same-sex-marriage-debate/#comment-3500 Thanks for posting these links! I wish that the LDS church wouldn't have dirtied its hands by associating with the likes of Kenneth Starr. Is there a link for the brief from these "dissident groups," as you call them? Thanks for posting these links! I wish that the LDS church wouldn’t have dirtied its hands by associating with the likes of Kenneth Starr.

Is there a link for the brief from these “dissident groups,” as you call them?

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